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Hello everyone, I just want to say that let's use present tense when writing the articles on the wiki, including when we write the arcs or characters. This is to avoid the possible spoiler. I am using the example of the Black Butler's wikia which is using present tense in writing articles, I found it as a very good example compared to other wikia which use past tense (and could reveal a spoiler, such as deceased characters). So, I will write in present tense in the future, so the readers can enjoy finding information in our wiki without risking themselves to spoiler.
Also, I think it will be neat and pretty if we start to use more references in the articles. Just small ones is useful (eg just write: Kakegurui, Chapter 100).
That's all. Have a good day in this Cruise journey. <3
(Edited by Zodiacmizai)
Well, we're getting another adaption called "Bet" Starring Miku Martineau
It will start streaming on May 15th on Netflix
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According to your imagination in an alternate universe Sumeragi Itsuki is not in love with Kaede Manyuda, also Sumeragi Itsuki owns Kaede Manyuda's life plan. How do you think Sumeragi Itsuki would have treated Kaede Manyuda then ?
I know how Sumeragi Itsuki, even though he owns Manyuda's life plan, at the same time helped Kaede Manyuda out of that depressed state and regained his self-confidence. I believe that a main reason why Sumeragi Itsuki helped Kaede out of that depressed state is the fact that she loves him. Even if Manyuda is so blind and doesn't realize this (he is the one with whom Sumeragi Itsuki is in love).
Sumeragi Itsuki saving Kaede Manyuda.
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P.S: According to Chat GPT, as I said in the above comment, how Kaede Manyuda could end up suffering from Stockholm syndrome + a possible crime "for love", also caused by Stockholm Syndrome.
Dialogue from chapter 44 or 45 of the manga:
Sumeragi Itsuki(to Kaede Manyuda): How humiliating, to serve the girl you looked up to arrogantly for so long. I will use and abuse you for the rest of your life. Since your life is mine, are you willing to obey me for the rest of your life?”
Kaede Manyuda (to Sumeragi Itsuki in a resigned voice): This can't be that bad. /That's how it should be.
Option 1:
The development of Stockholm syndrome
Initial Submission and Acceptance: Manyuda begins to accept his humiliating role, seeing it as an inevitable consequence of his past actions. Initial resignation is a first step towards developing Stockholm syndrome, where the victim begins to rationalize the abuse as something "deserved" or "justified".
Emotional Dependence: As time goes on, Manyuda becomes more and more emotionally dependent on Itsuki. This dependence can be exacerbated by his isolation and lack of other sources of support or affection.
Feelings of Gratitude: At times, Itsuki may show small acts of kindness or reduce the severity of treatment, which Manyuda perceives as a form of affection. He begins to develop feelings of gratitude towards her for these small "favors".
Idealization of the aggressor: Manyuda begins to idealize the figure of Itsuki, seeing her not just as a owner, but as a savior, or someone who gives her a purpose in life, even if that purpose is humiliating.
Love as a survival mechanism: Feelings of love may appear as a psychological survival mechanism, with Manyuda coming to believe that through his love and submission, he can find some form of emotional security and reduce the pain of constant humiliation.
Extreme Behavior: In this state of dependence and distorted affection, Kaede Manyuda comes to completely identify her worth and existence with Sumeragi Itsuki's needs and desires. Anyone who upsets his owner becomes a potential danger that must be eliminated.
Kaede Manyuda(Talking to himself, thinking of Sumeragi Itsuki): If someone is harming my owner, I must stop them at all costs. My life has no other purpose than to protect her.
Possibility of "love" murder: This fixation becomes so strong that Kaede Manyuda may commit murder to protect Sumeragi Itsuki's honor and safety, even though she does not share his feelings.
Hypothetical Scenario: A rival student tries to defame Sumeragi Itsuki in public. In a fit of rage and twisted loyalty, Kaede Manyuda attacks that student, determined to defend her owner's honor.
Option 2:
1. Submission and Initial Acceptance
In the first stage, Manyuda begins to accept his slave status, seeing it as an inevitable consequence of his own arrogance and wrong decisions. He feels guilty for everything that has happened to him and begins to rationalize the abuse he is subjected to, telling himself that he deserves to be treated this way because he underestimated Itsuki and ignored the warnings of those around him.
Manyuda's thoughts:
"Everything that happened to me... I brought it on myself. If I hadn't been so arrogant, so blind... maybe I could have avoided it all. Now, this is my fate. I deserve it."
2. Emotional dependence
As Itsuki becomes his only source of constant interaction, Manyuda begins to become emotionally dependent on her. The isolation from the rest of the world and the lack of any other form of support make him see his mistress as the only constant in his life. This emotional dependence makes him increasingly obedient and docile towards Itsuki.
Manyuda's thoughts:
"Without her, what would I be? I'm bound to her now... I can't break away, nor would I want to... She's the only one who gives me meaning, even if it's a painful meaning."
3. Feelings of gratitude
Itsuki, for her part, can sometimes show small gestures of "kindness"—a reduction in punishment or a lighter task—which Manyuda interprets as signs of affection. At this stage, he begins to develop feelings of gratitude for these "small favors", forgetting about the abusive context in which he finds himself.
Manyuda's thoughts:
"When he lets me rest or when he doesn't humiliate me in public, it's like he's showing me a little pity... maybe even care. I should be grateful for that."
4. Idealization of the aggressor
At this stage, Manyuda begins to idealize Itsuki, seeing her not just as a proprietress, but as someone who gives her purpose in life. He begins to believe that she is more than an abuser – she is an important figure, perhaps even a savior. In his mind, she gives him direction, even if it is humiliating and painful.
Manyuda's thoughts:
"Itsuki…she's a lot smarter than I thought. Maybe all she's doing is helping me learn, getting stronger. In fact, without her…I'd have no purpose."
5. Love as a survival mechanism
Manyuda begins to develop feelings of distorted love for Itsuki, seeing this love as a survival mechanism. In his mind, love and submission to it become the only way to find some form of emotional security. Thus, he believes that if he proves his loyalty, he could escape the suffering.
Manyuda's thoughts:
"If I love her and obey her completely, maybe she'll show me affection too. Maybe one day she'll see me not just as a slave, but as someone important."
6. Extreme Behavior
His addiction becomes so intense that Manyuda devotes his entire existence to Itsuki's needs and desires. In this state of extreme submission, he comes to believe that anyone who upsets or harms his mistress becomes an enemy to be eliminated. Itsuki becomes the center of his world, and Manyuda is willing to do anything to protect her, even if it means hurting or killing someone.
Manyuda's inner monologue:
"If anyone dares to harm Itsuki, I must stop them. My life has no other purpose than to protect her... It doesn't matter what I have to do, I will do whatever it takes."
7. The possibility of a crime "for love"
This obsession comes to a head when Manyuda begins to be willing to commit murder to protect Itsuki's honor and safety, even if she does not share his feelings. At this point, Manyuda has completely lost his identity and sense of morality, and all of his actions are motivated by the desire to serve and protect his mistress.
Manyuda's thoughts:
"It doesn't matter what others think anymore. It doesn't even matter if she loves me or not. All that matters is that I protect her. If anyone gets in her way, they will pay dearly. I… I will be the one to defend at all costs."
(Edited by Coconut-3500)
It's just my personal opinion. But you can take it either as a comparison or as a theory.
Jabami Yumeko has the same Japanese voice actor as Azazel Ameri from the Mairimashita! Iruma-kun series and as Yor Forger from the Spy×Family series.
And both Ameri and Yor are totally parallel to cooking. More specifically, their cooking is deadly poison. However Yor is good at cleaning considering the fact that her secret job is assassination. And as an assassin you must leave no trace that leads to the fact that you are the perpetrator.
But if Yumeko Jabami is as good at gambling as she is totally parallel at cooking. In short, if Yumeko were to cook something, there could be a chance that the food she cooked would actually be some kind of deadly poison for anybody eats that food.
Well, in the case of the Spy×Family series, Loid is the one who cooks the food instead of Yor. So I think that Suzui Ryota could do the same in terms of cooking instead of Yumeko.
As a teenager and as an adult.
In the first category the same voice actor in Japanese and in the second category the same voice actor in English.
First category:
Second category:
From your point of view, what would have happened if:
a) After Kaede Manyuda then lost to Yumeko, and Kaede became a Housepet, at the same time Kilari would have offered Sumeragi Itsuki the position of student council treasurer, right in front of Kaede. How do you think Kaede Manyuda would have reacted hearing this then ?
b) How would the past version of Kaede Manyuda (before losing to Yumeko) react to his present version (Manyuda after losing to Yumeko and before being helped and saved by Sumeragi Itsuki) ? Also what do you think the present version of Manyuda (after losing to Yumeko and before being helped and saved by Sumeragi Itsuki) would have said to his past version (Manyuda before losing to to Yumeko) ?
(Edited by Coconut-3500)
I wanted to make this comparison.
I want to make a small clarification both Rudeus Greyrat from Mushoku Tensei and Kaede Manyuda were helped to get out of their depressive state by the girl who is in love with him. Rudeous thanked Sylphiette (Sylphy) for helping her overcome the problem she had and for getting him out of that depressed state (Rudeous hugs Sylphy and thanks her while crying).
My question is this, when is Kaede Manyuda going to thank Sumeragi Itsuki for helping him overcome his problem and that he brought him out of that state of depression, instead of treating him as a slave in the most miserable ways possible ?
Also, Rudeus Greyrat and Kaede Manyuda have the same voice actor in Japanese, but not Sumeragi Itsuki with Sylphiette (Sylphy), the two do not have the same voice actor in Japanese (I don't know if in other languages if these two (Sumeragi Itsuki and Sylphy) would have the same voice actor).
And yes, I know that Rudeus' problem was related to his impotence, and Manyuda's is that he has a debt of 10,000,000,000, the GDP of a developing country.
(Edited by Coconut-3500)
As you know, three episodes of the picture drama were created. In episode 3 of the first season, Yumeko pretends to be a kitten. It is logical that in order to maintain chronology, it is after this episode that I should watch the episode "Hyakkaou, the School of Cat Ears". The problem is that I don't know where in the plot to place the remaining two episodes. Thank you in advance for any help and best regards.
Yumeko
Kirari
Itski
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(Edited by Polarisdragons13)
Hello,
I would like to know how you find the covers of the chapters of volume 17 and vol 18. Because they have not yet been released and I cannot find them...
Thankss
(Edited by LisaLeBuisson)
Questions I asked Chat GPT like what would have happened if; the type of why and the type of why not.
Why did Kaede Manyuda not heed Ikishima Midari's warnings?
In the series "Kakegurui," Kaede Manyuda is known for being a character who has overconfidence in his own ability to win at gambling. This causes him to ignore the warnings and advice of others, including that of Ikishima Midari.
There are several reasons why Kaede Manyuda might ignore Ikishima Midari's warnings:
1. Arrogance: Kaede is shown as a very proud character and confident in his abilities. He may feel that he does not need the advice of other people and that he can defeat his opponents based on his own skill alone.
2. Desire to dominate: Kaede has a fierce rivalry with Yumeko Jabami, and his desire to defeat her may cause him to ignore Ikishima Midari's advice and try to dominate at all costs.
3. Gambling Addiction: In the "Kakegurui" universe, many students suffer from gambling addiction, including Kaede. This addiction can cause him to be very impulsive and not consider the consequences of warnings.
4. Loyalty to the Student Council: Kaede is an active member of the Student Council and is dedicated to maintaining the order and rules of the institution. This may cause him to ignore warnings that run counter to the Council's interests.
Ultimately, Kaede Manyuda's personality and motivations lead him to ignore Ikishima Midari's warnings, which adds to the complexity of the characters and plot development within the "Kakegurui" series.
Why did Kaede Manyuda underestimate Sumeragi Itsuki?
Kaede Manyuda underestimated Sumeragi Itsuki when she helped Yumeko Jabami, as Kaede was used to being in control and feeling superior to the other Hyakkaou Academy Student Council members. He had a very high opinion of himself and considered himself one of the school's strongest players and leaders. Therefore, he might not have taken Itsuki seriously and thought she could handle any challenge.
However, underestimating Itsuki was a mistake in judgment. Itsuki had his own motives and resources to achieve his goals, including helping Yumeko. She wasn't just a mediocre player, she had her own set of skills and intelligence. This cost Kaede as he underestimated her and did not anticipate that Itsuki might betray him to help carry out her plan.
In essence, Itsuki's underestimation was a consequence of Kaede's arrogance and overconfidence in his own abilities and his influence in the school. This underestimation had negative consequences for him in that specific situation.
What would have happened if Kaede Manyuda hadn't underestimated Sumeragi Itsuki?
If Kaede Manyuda hadn't underestimated Sumeragi Itsuki and heeded Ikishima Midari's warnings before facing Yumeko Jabami aided by Itsuki, the scenarios might be different:
If he had taken Ikishima Midari's warnings seriously, he could have adjusted his strategy and been more cautious in his confrontation with Yumeko and Itsuki. This could have given him a better chance to win or minimize his losses.
If they hadn't underestimated Itsuki, they could have trusted their alliance more and cooperated more effectively during the game to achieve their goals.
If he had listened to Ikishima Midari's warnings about the danger Yumeko and Itsuki posed, he could have avoided the confrontation altogether or found a safer way to recover his debt without getting involved in a risky game.
Overall, by heeding the warnings and learning from the experience, Kaede would have had a better chance of protecting her interests and avoiding the negative consequences of playing with Yumeko and Itsuki.
What would have happened if Kaede Manyuda had heeded Ikishima Midari's warnings?
If Kaede Manyuda hadn't underestimated Sumeragi Itsuki and given more importance to their collaboration and alliance instead of seeing her as a mere pet in Yumeko Jabami's plans, she might have been more successful in their games and plans. This could have led to different results:
In terms of gambling, the team of Kaede and Itsuki could have cooperated more effectively and maximized their chances of winning. This could have allowed them to avoid massive losses and win more games against Yumeko and other opponents.
If Kaede Manyuda had valued Itsuki's opinions and skills, he could have developed better strategies to manipulate the games and the other student council members, increasing his influence in the school.
Their collaboration could have brought about significant changes in the world of gambling and the student council, influencing events in a completely different way than what happened in the series.
In summary, by not being able to underestimate Sumeragi Itsuki and develop closer cooperation, Kaede Manyuda could have achieved more favorable results in the series.
If Kaede Manyuda had heeded Ikishima Midari's warnings before facing Yumeko Jabami, aided by Sumeragi Itsuki, there are several possible scenarios:
Kaede would have had more confidence in Itsuki's abilities and developed a more solid strategy to compete against Yumeko and Itsuki. This could have increased their chances of success in gambling.
If Kaede had trusted Ikishima's warning, he could have thought better of the consequences of defeat and been more cautious in his games, thus avoiding losing his life and becoming a pet.
Kaede could have completely avoided the confrontation with Yumeko and Itsuki, thus saving his life plan and his status in the school.
In the end, listening to Ikishima Midari's warnings could have given Kaede Manyuda more options to protect her interests and avoid the dire consequences of losing the gambling games with Yumeko and Itsuki.
(Edited by Coconut-3500)